Do Not Feed The Troll
Shelley’s “theory”:http://weblog.burningbird.net/fires/001356.htm on the “mentally unstable” issue doesn’t hold water with me. It only works if no one sees the post before the edit (doesn’t matter about the GoogleBot). You see the “mentally unstable” post “got out” and here it is now, ready to be grabbed by Google. In fact, a ten minute edited part of post survives long enough to be read about by me; someone who hasn’t read Dave Winer, and someone who wasn’t reading about yourself when this occurred.
Now, I’ve heard that Dave Winer called Mark an alcoholic and Mark’s recent post about not drinking suddenly clicks into place. Oh Boy!
I’m actually quite annoyed by Dave Winer now. Think about Arthur Dent getting annoyed here (I’m not like that in real life but my online persona doesn’t get annoyed often). I try to ignore him, I never read his site, I’ve even cut down on reading sites like Sam Ruby’s incase he comments there, or there is a post about his malignant bile. Must I stop reading BurningBird now? (it’s not good for my health, I have a heart condition you know, I could die).
All for one sad old dinosaur (hey he called someone a 16 year old; that’s just childish). Someone who probably reads all this and laughs; a manic Master-like laugh; insane probably; dreams of ruling the universe. If I can’t blog, then no one can blog. Mwahhha hah ha. He must love it. In other words a troll. And fuck me, if I haven’t just fed the troll. Well, bollocks, sometimes you just gotta flame.
I used to go on newsgroups a lot a few years ago. There were always trolls, and there were always people saying “Do not feed the trolls”. And then there were the sensible people who said nothing, kill filed the thread and the poster and got on having fun.
It didn’t work, because the troll kept turning up in threads that you’d be interested in. You couldn’t kill all the threads; you’d have nothing to read. In the end, you’d explode and flame the troll. He’d laugh, probably. But you’d feel better and that’s the main thing.
Well, here’s the deal. I’ve kill-filed the Troll, but he keeps appearing in threads all over the place. Everyone in my blogroll and aggregator is on three strikes or their out. Mention Dave Winer and his Dastardly Deeds three times and I unsubscribe from your blog. This holds for myself. If I mention Dave Winer twice more, I’ll quit blogging. Promise. (Unless I don’t; in which case I’ll delete that bit and see who notices. No one anyway, no one reads me).
You’re allowed to mention good things, e.g.
“Today, Dave Winer gave $10,000 to Alcolohics Anonymous as an apology for the deleted remark about Mark Pilgrim”,
or
“Today, Dave Winer told the world that he is going to work for IBM for free for a year to aid them in their syndication efforts. ‘BigCo, schmigCo’, said Dave, ‘All creatures great or small, everyone is welcome to the party. Well, if it’ll make Sam happy again.’ ”
or
“Today, Dave Winer went into a school in New York, and gave a talk on blogging to all the children. All the 13 year olds were helped to setup and use Blogger, the 14 year olds got MovableType installed for them free of charge, and the 15 year olds got Blosxom. The 16 year olds all got free copies of Radio Userland”
So, here is your mission, should you choose to except it. I want your thoughts on Catch-22. I want your interesting Python code. I want poetryfordbas.org. I want anything interesting. You’re in my blogroll because you write interesting stuff. I want you to stay in my blogroll.
This message will self-destructbe deleted in one hour.
Now I’ve written this, it sounds I bit like I’m trying to censor you. Think of it like an election. I’m giving you my requests so you I will vote for you. I’m not telling you to stop blogging. And you are welcome to continue writing about Dave Winer. I just won’t be listening. My fingers will be in my ears and I’ll be going “la la la la la”.
July 17th, 2003 at 23:09
Fucks Up: Yours and Mine
Shelley’s remarks mirror my own on this matter. Both of us have been accused of being contentious and irritable.
July 17th, 2003 at 23:24
No comment!
July 17th, 2003 at 23:44
July 18th, 2003 at 15:37
You know, I like your three-strikes oath so much that I’m going to take it myself.
I hereby do solemnly promise that any blog on my blogroll that henceforth mentioneth D— W—- thrice shall be excised therefrom.
A comment by D— W—- on a blog counteth not against the mentions, as no blogger can be expected to control the actions of anyone but him- or herself.
*fingers in ears*
lalalalalalalalalalalalalala…
July 18th, 2003 at 17:35
Thank you. Of course, a comment from someone else (DW or otherwise) shouldn’t be counted against the blog owner.
July 18th, 2003 at 18:21
Um. Aaron Swartz actually is 16, or possibly 17 now. Just to set the record straight on that.
July 18th, 2003 at 21:34
Dear Mr. Harvard IP Address,
Err, yes, I know. This is why the 16-year olds got copies of Radio Userland.
July 19th, 2003 at 2:51
Hey this sounds like a good idea. 3 DW’s and you’re out! I’ve tried doing this, but I agree with you. Lately a certain abusive troll keeps popping up in everyone’s comments about his behaviour and I’m sure this is exactly what he wants.
I for one won’t talk about this DW or Radio LoserLand or Crappilla anymore (despite the fact that I was one of those morons that bought into this whole thing when I got into ‘blogging’ and even paid $40US for something that I could’ve done with apache, vi, some common sense and a huge kick in the pants (my pants that is)
oh well. live and ‘blog..
August 18th, 2003 at 8:19
Direct Hit
I just read On Identity and Edits by Shelly Powers , author of Practical RDF , which talks about blog editing problems and policies.